The ZenRUN Podcast

Have you ever noticed that your breathing has its own rhythm while you run?

This week’s ZenRUN Moment is all about becoming curious about your breath, not trying to control it. As you head out on your next run, simply notice what your breathing is doing. Does it speed up on the hills? Settle into an easy rhythm on the flats? Become shorter when you're feeling stressed or pushing the pace? Your breathing is constantly giving you clues about what's happening inside your body.

Think of your breath as your own personal running weather report. It reflects how you're feeling in the moment without judging whether that's good or bad. The beautiful thing is that when we stop trying to force our breathing and simply notice it, it often begins to settle naturally. Instead of battling against your breath, you start moving with it.

This simple practice can help you feel calmer, more connected, and more present on every run. Rather than getting caught up in pace, distance, or what your watch says, your breath becomes a gentle anchor that keeps bringing you back to the present moment.

On your next run, let your breathing guide your awareness for a few minutes. You might be surprised how much easier and more enjoyable your run feels when you stop fighting your breath and start listening to it.

Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels.

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💛 Running used to clear your head. Now it’s another thing weighing on it. Let’s change that.

If you’re tired of dragging yourself out the door, feeling guilty when you don’t, or comparing every run to what you used to do, Feel Like a Runner Again is for you.

This practical program helps you quiet the mental noise, drop the pressure, and rediscover running as time for yourself.

Less “I should go for a run.” More “I’ve missed this.”

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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Frank Collins hated running growing up.

These days, he seems to have a habit of looking for running challenges that appear slightly ridiculous and thinking, that sounds good. 😂

In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with Frank about how someone who didn’t enjoy school sport or road running found his place on the trails, and eventually discovered that the harder and more technical the challenge, the more interested he became.

We chat about his rather eventful introduction to ultra running, the races that have tested him physically and mentally, why he’d rather take the hard path than the easy one, and what keeps drawing him towards challenges that initially seem impossible.

Frank also shares why he genuinely enjoys the training and preparation as much as the event itself, how he handles those inevitable moments when things start going badly during a long race, and why running with other people can be one of the simplest ways to get yourself out the door when motivation disappears.

We also talk about his upcoming Harry’s King of the Hill challenge, which has a very personal meaning for Frank as he raises money for MND Victoria in memory of his dad.

And, of course, there’s Pass the Baton.

Frank answers the question left for him by his wife Nida:

How do you pick yourself up in a race or event when things aren’t going well?

Then he leaves a question for my next guest which suggests we’ve finally moved on from toilet stories…

…and entered the world of gruesome runner feet instead. 😂

You’ll have to listen to hear exactly what he asks.

Frank’s MND fundraising page
https://www.mnd.org.au/conquering-the-hill-for-mnd

Frank and Nida’s reno business
https://www.facebook.com/FNRandD

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💛 Running used to clear your head. Now it’s another thing weighing on it. Let’s change that.

If you’re tired of dragging yourself out the door, feeling guilty when you don’t, or comparing every run to what you used to do, Feel Like a Runner Again is for you.

This practical program helps you quiet the mental noise, drop the pressure, and rediscover running as time for yourself.

Less “I should go for a run.” More “I’ve missed this.”

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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Not every difficult run is caused by tired legs.

Sometimes it's our thoughts that make the run feel harder than it really is. We start telling ourselves we're too slow, not fit enough, or that we should be running better. Before long, our mind is working against us instead of with us. This week's ZenRUN Moment is about recognising those moments and responding with kindness instead of more pressure.

If you notice your thoughts starting to spiral during a run, try something that might feel a little unexpected - slow down. Not because you've failed. Not because you're giving up. Slow down because you're choosing to reset. Take a deeper breath. Lift your eyes. Notice what's around you. Give your body and mind a chance to reconnect.

It's amazing how often thirty seconds of easing off can completely change the emotional tone of a run. Rather than fighting your body or arguing with your thoughts, you create space for them to settle. More often than not, you'll find your rhythm again naturally.

Running doesn't always need more effort. Sometimes it needs more awareness. On your next run, if your mind starts racing, see what happens when you respond by listening instead of pushing. You may discover that's exactly what your body needed.

Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels.

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again will help you get back to enjoying your running. It’s packed with practical tools and guided runs to help you quiet your mind, run with less pressure, and reconnect with the runner you already are.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with trail and ultra runner Nida Collins.

Nida grew up in Bangkok, where heading out the door for a run definitely wasn’t part of everyday life.

In fact, her own running journey didn’t really begin until years later in Australia, thanks in part to a Kelpie Labrador called Arnold.

Since then, running has taken Nida a very long way from those early jogs.

She’s discovered a love of trails and ultras, taken on some seriously challenging terrain, run in some beautiful places around the world and, more recently, completed 24 yards and 162km at Melbourne Front Yard Ultra.

But what I really enjoyed about this conversation is Nida’s approach to running.

We talk about fear and what happens when you keep going back to something that scares you. We chat about the strange mental game of backyard ultras, dealing with the moments when a race isn’t going the way you hoped, and why sometimes the best strategy for getting yourself out for a run is simply not to think about it too much!

We also talk about running as a way to explore when you travel, why Nida always packs her running gear, and some rather impressive Thai trail race aid stations. Let’s just say Australian aid stations may have some catching up to do. 😂

There are plenty of simple, practical little lessons in this conversation too, particularly if you’re someone who thinks you’re “not a runner” or that running longer distances is something other people do.

And Nida shares one lesson running has taught her about life that has stuck with her well beyond the trails:

Nothing lasts. The good or the bad.

Plus, of course, there’s our Pass the Baton question for the next guest.

You’ll have to listen to find out what Nida asks them. 😉

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again is a simple, practical program designed to help you rediscover the joy of running. You’ll learn how to quiet the mental noise, let go of the pressure, and make running feel like your escape again, not another thing on your to-do list.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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Do your shoulders seem to climb the hill before the rest of you?

Hills have a funny way of creating tension without us even noticing. As soon as the gradient increases, our shoulders creep towards our ears, our jaw tightens, our fists clench, and our breathing can become short and choppy. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a simple reminder to check in with your body every time you reach a hill.

As you begin a climb, take a quick mental scan. Can you drop your shoulders? Loosen your grip? Relax your face? Take one deeper breath? None of these things will make the hill disappear, but they can make the climb feel much more manageable. We often create extra effort by holding unnecessary tension, and releasing it can help you move more smoothly and efficiently.

This is a great reminder for life as well as running. When things become challenging, our instinct is often to tense up and push harder. Sometimes, though, the better approach is to soften first. Relaxing doesn’t mean giving up. It means using your energy where it matters most.

So next time you see a hill, don’t just prepare your legs - check in with your whole body. You still have to do the work, but you might be surprised by how much easier it feels when you climb with awareness instead of resistance.

Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels.

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again will help you get back to enjoying your running. It’s packed with practical tools and guided runs to help you quiet your mind, run with less pressure, and reconnect with the runner you already are.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the incredibly inspiring Bart Campbell.

Bart grew up in the Adelaide Hills and, by his own admission, wasn’t the sporty kid. He was the chubby kid hanging out the back of the softball field, more interested in computers, movies and gaming than running.

By his early twenties, he weighed around 130 kilograms, had been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and spent most evenings sitting at a computer while his wife brought dinner to his desk.

If you’d met Bart back then, you probably wouldn’t have picked him as someone who’d go on to develop a real passion for ultra running and backyard ultras.

But that’s exactly what happened.

This is one of those conversations that reminds us how much a life can change through small decisions made consistently over time.

Bart shares the remarkable story of his dad, a Vietnam veteran who transformed his own life after years of struggling with trauma, addiction and alcoholism. That example became one of the biggest influences on Bart’s belief that people are never stuck where they are.

From there we follow Bart’s own journey as he slowly started taking better care of himself. It began with simply jogging to work, then hiking Mount Lofty, then entering a trail race… and discovering that maybe he was capable of far more than he’d ever imagined.

These days Bart has completed countless ultras, developed a real passion for backyard ultras, and loves sharing what he’s learned through his running videos and daily Running Wisdom series.

We also chat about:

• growing up in a blended family in the Adelaide Hills
• being diagnosed with multiple sclerosis in his early twenties
• losing a significant amount of weight and changing the direction of his life
• why tiny daily improvements matter more than massive changes
• his love of storytelling and creating running videos
• his Running Wisdom series, which he’s recorded every single day for more than two years
• what backyard ultras have taught him about himself
• why he believes everyone should find “their thing”, whether that’s running or something completely different

As always, there are plenty of laughs along the way, including stories about jumping off sheds into swimming pools, accidentally meeting his future wife while chasing another girl, travelling the world, filming ultras, and why Ross Noble unexpectedly became part of one of Bart’s favourite running stories.

If you’ve ever wondered whether it’s too late to change your life, Bart’s story is a wonderful reminder that your next step can take you somewhere completely unexpected.

Links mentioned in this episode

• UltraRunning Statistics (UltraRunning Stats)
• Bart’s Running Wisdom videos

Bart’s Tips for Runners

Bart shares some beautifully simple advice throughout this conversation.

Start before you feel ready.

You don’t need a perfect plan. You don’t need to know where the journey ends.

Sometimes all you need is the first step.

He also reminds us that real change rarely happens because of one massive decision.

It’s the tiny choices, repeated consistently, that completely change your life.

Whether that’s jogging to work, walking up a local hill, joining parkrun or simply putting your running shoes on, those little actions eventually become something much bigger.

And perhaps Bart’s biggest message is this:

Find your thing.

For him, it was running.

For someone else it might be something entirely different.

Find the activity that helps you become a better version of yourself, then keep showing up for it.

Pass the Baton

Bart answers Kat Cacavas’s question:

“What is your most precious memory while running?”

His answer might surprise you.

Rather than choosing a podium finish or a major race, Bart talks about throwing up after one of his first trail races because it was the first time he’d truly discovered what he was capable of when he pushed beyond what he thought were his limits.

Bart also leaves a fantastic question for my next guest…

You’ll need to listen right to the end to hear what it is.

Enjoy! ❤️

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again is a simple, practical program designed to help you rediscover the joy of running. You’ll learn how to quiet the mental noise, let go of the pressure, and make running feel like your escape again, not another thing on your to-do list.

👉 Feel Like a Runner Again

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1. If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations.
2. I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you (or someone you know) has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you.

Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club
or email hello@zenrun.club

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How many times have you finished a run and realised you barely noticed where you were?

It’s easy to spend an entire run focused on pace, distance, or the thoughts swirling around in our heads. This week’s ZenRUN Moment is a gentle reminder to look up, look around, and notice just one beautiful thing during your run.

It doesn’t have to be anything extraordinary. It could be sunlight filtering through the trees, a dog happily hanging out a car window, fog rolling across a paddock, birds gliding overhead, rain glistening on the road, or the smile from another runner as you pass. These little moments are happening around us every day, yet they’re so easy to miss when we’re rushing from one kilometre to the next.

One of the greatest gifts of running is that it gives us a front-row seat to the world. We get to experience changing seasons, shifting light, fresh air, and little moments of joy that people driving past may never notice. The more we train ourselves to look for these moments, the more running becomes something we experience rather than simply complete.

So on your next run, don’t put pressure on yourself to notice everything. Just look for one beautiful thing. It might stay with you long after the run is over.

Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels.

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again will help you get back to enjoying your running. It’s packed with practical tools and guided runs to help you quiet your mind, run with less pressure, and reconnect with the runner you already are.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with the wonderful Kat Cacavas.

Kat is a dietitian, health promotion officer, yoga teacher, marathon runner, charity founder, traveller and someone who has spent much of her life helping other people live healthier lives.

She grew up in Melbourne in a family where movement was simply part of everyday life. Running, dancing, swimming, surf lifesaving, athletics… if there was a sport going, chances are Kat gave it a go.

Although she loved running from a young age, dancing was her first love for many years. It wasn’t until her early twenties that running started taking centre stage, eventually leading her to marathons all over the world.

Including one of the most extraordinary first marathons I’ve ever heard.

Kat’s debut marathon wasn’t in Melbourne, Sydney or the Gold Coast.

It was in Sierra Leone.

That race became the beginning of something much bigger than simply running 42.2 kilometres.

Over the past decade, Kat has built an incredible connection with Sierra Leone through running, eventually founding the Make Ways Foundation, which now supports young people through movement, education and opportunity. What started with taking donated running shoes in her suitcase has grown into a registered charity, three shipping containers of sporting equipment, a community sports store and employment for local people.

It’s one of those stories that reminds you just how powerful running can be.

We also chat about Kat’s career as a dietitian and health promotion officer, why food doesn’t have to be complicated, how clever supermarket marketing influences our choices, and why chasing the latest fad diet rarely solves the real problem.

Kat also shares something deeply personal.

For the past three years she and her husband have been navigating IVF. She talks honestly about how fertility treatment has repeatedly interrupted her running, the emotional impact of constantly rebuilding fitness, and how she’s learned to rediscover the joy of simply running again whenever she gets the chance.

It’s a beautiful conversation about resilience, identity and remembering that running can look different in different seasons of life.

Along the way we also chat about:

• Growing up in Melbourne and discovering a love of running and dancing.
• Running half marathons through Paris and Nice while travelling.
• Completing her first marathon in the heat and humidity of Sierra Leone.
• Why running holidays are one of the best ways to explore a new place.
• Building strength after repeated ankle injuries… including one caused by stepping on a mango!
• Why runners shouldn’t underestimate yoga, breathing and mobility.
• How running has given Kat friendship, adventure, purpose and community.
• The original Athens Marathon and why it’s firmly on Kat’s bucket list.

Kat’s running tips

• Running doesn’t have to look the same in every season of life.
• Build your identity around more than just running.
• Running while travelling is one of the best ways to experience a new place.
• Don’t ignore your body when something doesn’t feel right.
• Yoga can improve strength, mobility, breathing and body awareness for runners.
• Sometimes the greatest running memories come from the people you meet, not the finish line.

Links mentioned in this episode

Make Ways Foundation:
https://makewaysfoundation.org/

Make Ways Foundation documentary trailer:
https://vimeo.com/1179061019/6127657463?share=copy&fl=cl&fe=ci

Kat’s online yoga for runners:
https://createdconnections.com.au/

Kat on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/katcacavas/

Kat on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/MakeWaysFoundation/

Kat on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/katherine-cacavas/

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again is a simple, practical program designed to help you rediscover the joy of running. You’ll learn how to quiet the mental noise, let go of the pressure, and make running feel like your escape again, not another thing on your to-do list.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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1️⃣ If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast - it helps more runners discover these conversations.

2️⃣ I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you (or someone you know) has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you.

Find me on Facebook or Instagram @ZenRUN.club
or email hello@zenrun.club

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Every running step begins with one simple thing - your foot meeting the ground.

This week’s ZenRUN Moment is an invitation to become curious about that connection. As you head out on your next run, notice how your feet land. Are your footsteps light or heavy? Quick or flat? There’s no need to analyse or judge what you discover. Just pay attention to the conversation that’s happening between your body and the ground beneath you.

As your awareness grows, you might naturally begin to soften your landing. Not by trying to run with “perfect” technique, but by allowing your body to move a little more smoothly and efficiently. Many runners find that when they focus on landing a little lighter, their stride becomes more relaxed, their movement feels more fluid, and the run becomes more enjoyable.

The goal isn’t to become an elite runner overnight. It’s to become a more connected runner. Every run gives you thousands of opportunities to notice, adjust, and learn something new about how your body moves. Those small moments of awareness often lead to the biggest changes over time.

On your next run, let your feet be your guide. Listen to the conversation they’re having with the earth beneath you and enjoy discovering what they have to teach you.

Small moments of awareness like this can completely change the way running feels.

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💛 Want your running (and your headspace) to feel a little lighter?

If you enjoyed this ZenRUN Moment, you might love The Running Reset - a simple bundle of guided runs and tools designed to help you clear your mind, reset your rhythm, and fall back in love with running.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/the-running-reset

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In this episode of the ZenRUN Podcast, I chat with Western Australian ultra runner David Martin.

David works in IT and finance, once spent his teenage years sailing yachts to Rottnest Island, accidentally became president of AURA, owns several running phones and has a collection of boxer shorts chosen by his children for different stages of his ultra races.

As you do.

David grew up in Fremantle in a multicultural family, with a Polish mum and Russian/Ukrainian family heritage on his dad’s side. He describes himself as much more academic than sporty, although he always enjoyed running, even when he was near the back of the school cross-country field.

His adult running journey began when a mate entered a team in the Busselton Half Ironman without actually having a team.

David agreed to run the half marathon leg, downloaded a sub-two-hour training plan and finished in 1:59:40.

Mission accomplished.

From there came half marathons, trail races and a growing curiosity about how far he could go.

But in 2020, everything changed.

After taking steroids for a medical condition, David developed severe damage in his hips. A surgeon told him his left hip was unsalvageable, his right hip was at risk and he would probably need a hip replacement within 18 months.

He was also told he would never run again.

David fainted in the surgeon’s office.

After spending several years away from running, he gradually began walking again. Walking felt too slow, so he tried running.

There was no pain.

He increased the distance, completed a 10km event, progressed to a half marathon and then decided to run almost every half marathon he could find in Western Australia.

Naturally, this eventually led him to the Feral Pig 50km.

From there, David’s running journey escalated rather quickly.

He jumped from 50km to the Delirious W.E.S.T. 100 miler, then completed Cape to Cape, Feral Pig and other major ultras before stepping up to the Delirious W.E.S.T. 200 miler.

David shares how he mentally approached the 200 miler by treating the first 100 miles as the journey to the start line of a race he already knew he could complete.

It worked.

Although there were some very dark moments, including briefly hoping a snake might bite him so he would have a legitimate reason to stop.

Later in the race, when he actually encountered snakes, his attitude had changed considerably.

“Don’t you dare.”

We talk about the strange mental places ultra running can take you, what it feels like to spend days alone on the trail and how David deliberately clears unfinished conversations, work problems and life admin before a race.

Instead of using the trail to solve problems, David tries to arrive with what he calls an “empty brain”.

He focuses on the scenery, wildlife, people and experience around him.

David rarely listens to anything while running because he wants to fully experience nature, although during the lowest points of Delirious he discovered that the right song could help change his mood and get him moving again.

We also chat about:

• Why David runs with a separate phone during races
• His fear of spiders and the discovery of “spider baseball”
• The importance of respecting the trail, wildlife and other runners
• Why his children choose his race outfits
• Kermit, Bluey, SpongeBob and shark boxer shorts
• Accidentally leaving two left socks at an aid station
• Blisters, swollen feet and losing six toenails
• His first trip to emergency after Delirious
• Why his physio believes strong muscles may help protect his damaged hips
• His dream of finding the limits of how far he can go
• The Bibbulmun Track and fastest known time ideas
• Why race entries help give his training a clear purpose
• The impact ultra training has on family life
• The pride, fear and support that comes from David’s wife and children
• Why he believes runners rarely achieve these things alone
• The community of volunteers, medics, physios, family and fellow runners who help us reach the finish line

David also shares plenty of practical lessons from his rapid rise through the ultra distances.

David’s Running Tips

Build gradually, even when the next challenge feels exciting

David used marathons, 50km events and looped ultras to test his body, equipment and nutrition before moving into longer distances.

Train on the terrain you will race on

Before his first marathon, David repeatedly drove an hour each way to practise on the actual course.

Use smaller events to test your systems

David used a looped 50-mile event to test shoes, nutrition, Tailwind and race equipment before attempting his first 100 miler.

Expect your feet to swell

David loosens his shoelaces later in races and plans shoe and sock changes around how his feet respond over long distances.

Strength work matters

After being told he would need a hip replacement, David built strength around his hips. His physio now believes that this additional muscular support may help him avoid surgery.

Deal with life before you reach the start line

David tries to resolve difficult conversations, emails and unfinished problems before racing so he can stay present rather than spending hours mentally stewing over something he cannot fix from the trail.

Let the event become your permission to disconnect

During long races, David removes work email, uses a separate phone and allows himself to be unreachable.

Respect the environment and the people around you

Carry the required safety equipment, look after other runners, respect wildlife and remember that the next person along the trail may be the one who helps you in an emergency.

Do not assume you have to do it alone

David credits fellow runners, race volunteers, family members, medics, his physio and the broader trail community with helping him reach the start and finish lines.

Carry toilet paper or wet wipes

This lesson may have been learned the hard way on a beach at 3am during Delirious.

David’s message is simple.

Do not assume that a huge running goal is impossible.

You may not know how you will reach it yet, but you can learn, build experience and find people who will help you along the way.

The Ultra Stats website:
https://statistik.d-u-v.org/

And make sure you stay until the end to hear David answer Kat Booth’s Pass the Baton question:

“What shoes, if you had to, would you chop up to make it to the end of your race? You might have to tape them, chop them up or cut open the toe box. Which pair would you do, and what would it take for you to decide to chop them up?”

You will also hear the question David has chosen for my next guest.

Let’s just say the Pass the Baton questions may be developing a slightly concerning toilet theme.

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💛 Want to feel like a runner again?

If this conversation resonated, Feel Like a Runner Again is a simple, practical program designed to help you rediscover the joy of running. You’ll learn how to quiet the mental noise, let go of the pressure, and make running feel like your escape again, not another thing on your to-do list.

👉 https://www.zenrun.app/courses/feel-like-a-runner-again

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1. If you enjoyed this episode, please follow, rate, and review the podcast. It helps more runners discover these conversations.
2. I’m always looking for runners to interview. If you, or someone you know, has a running story to share, I’d love to hear from you.

Find me on Facebook or Instagram at @ZenRUN.club
or email hello@zenrun.club

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